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Dr. Thomas Santucci is the Clinical Director. He delivers 28 years of advanced diagnostics, clinical neurology and endocrinology as well as comprehensive expertise in resolution of multidisciplinary Chronic Conditions. Our aim is to promote healthy aging, optimal well-being and quality of life by employing advanced diagnostics and cutting-edge technology within a Functional Medicine approach.
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Medical Devices Inventor with Dr. Phillips
Dr. David Phillips shares his story of how his dad's condition pushed him to become a medical device inventor. Today's episode introduces us not only to ReBuilder but also to basic neurology. We talk about some fallacies of neurotransmitters, handling peripheral neuropathy issues, and many more!
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Intro
Welcome to "The Medical Insider" podcast, where we highlight real-life solutions to your health challenges, encorporate new technology and proven solutions from the past with a healthy dose of common sense while resisting the pitfalls of idiopathic classifications and economically-based medical doctrine. This is your host, Dr. Thomas Santucci. Let's get started.
Dr. Santucci
Welcome to this 12th version of "The Medical Insider", and we're keeping it as The Medical Insider, even though sometimes we feel like outsiders. I'm welcoming Dr. David Phillips. And Dr. David Phillips is a unique individual because of his ability to kind of go-between worlds and still be effective. So this is a guy that received his BA from Harvard in Business, went on to do advanced work in Biochemistry, has a Ph.D. in Psychology, and then later became an MD, Doctor of Medicine. And then something we were just discussing is that this guy is an inventor, and nowhere in this is EE, nowhere in this is Electronic Engineering. And yet this guy has developed some of the most interesting, effective peripheral neuropathy and other tools that there was. I first became aware of Dr. Phillips when I was told we're going to meet the guy who invented the world's first infrared ear thermometer. And I was like, okay, cool. That's what technology ought to be doing. So this is a guy who kind of has his ear to the ground, but also in a position to kind of change what we all see on the technical side. Definitely, a person is not afraid of crossing the lines in order to get things done. And with that, I want to welcome Dr. Phillips.
Dr. Phillips
Well, thank you. Glad to be here.
Dr. Santucci
Great. So, I definitely understand the medical part, the neuro part, and even the business part in your background in education, can you talk a little bit about how you became an inventor? Because, again, we don't see EE anywhere.
Dr. Phillips
Well, when my wife was 28 and I was 30, we had a janitorial service, and she developed a lump in her breast. And we went through all the process of trying to figure out what it was and couldn't. They're very small, dense breasts, so a mammogram wasn't very effective. So the final result was we went to a doctor and he recommended a bilateral prophylactic mastectomy because we had four kids and we weren't going to have anymore. He said, if you're not going to, you know, don't need your breasts anymore, so we might as well remove them, and that way you'll never have to worry about having breast cancer. So, it annoyed the heck out of me. So I looked at them and I said, do you have kids? And he said, I have two boys. [inaudible] have any more? And he said, no. And I said, well, why don't we cut your testicles off then, and then you'll never have to worry about getting testicular cancer.
Dr. Santucci
Exactly.
Dr. Phillips
Oh, which he threw me out of the office, and I had to then go to, actually, Northwestern Medical Library and start researching everything on my own from scratch. So, fortunately, I didn't have to unlearn anything at the time.
Dr. Santucci
Nice.
Dr. Phillips
I walked into the library, the medical librarian, and at that time they had microfiche and you had to roll down and you get one piece at a time when you read it.
Dr. Santucci
Oh yeah. And you're seriously dating yourself now, by the way.
Dr. Phillips
Yeah, that was-- yeah, I'm 76. So you can see how long ago it was, 40 years ago at least.
Dr. Santucci
Right.
Dr. Phillips
The librarian came over and said, come here. So are you a student here? I said no. She said, well, this is only for students, you can't come in here. I said okay. So I walked out, went to the student union and I bought a lab coat and I walked back in.
Dr. Santucci
I love it.
Dr. Phillips
And for months I educated myself as well as I could. So I developed a breast cancer detection system that was very effective. She did not have cancer. I had approved at Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center, kind of by accident. So that's how I got started. And then my father had problems with his feet, so I need to do ReBuilder. My four kids, I didn't want to use the mercury-in-glass thermometer and erect them. It was dangerous. That one of my granddaughters got a skin disease called molluscum contagiosum. So I invented a device using silver products. Silver kills viruses and bacteria.
Dr. Santucci
Yes.
Dr. Phillips
Currently, I'm working on a novel, a tongue depressor. Tongue depressors haven't been improved in 2000 years. It's just a stick and a light or a flash I'm looking down [inaudible].
Dr. Santucci
Sure.
Dr. Phillips
So I developed one and it's still-- it's patented but not produced yet that has three LED lights on the very end of it. So when you stick it in the mouth, it lights up the back of the throat with a white light. Then it goes through the entire spectrum of colors because each disease has different minerals.
Dr. Santucci
Right.
Dr. Phillips
Some have more potassium, some have more magnesium, and each mineral will fluoresce or turn bright when reflecting a different wavelength. So it goes through all the different wavelengths. So I can look in there and see, okay, there's some redness. But then when it turns to a green light, I say, oh my God, there's all kinds of splotches that strip. It goes to yellow, pink, and red. And then red, oh my goodness, there's thrush. So, it's kind of what I do.
Dr. Santucci
So, I think it's so fantastic because [inaudible] it changes the protocol, but it also changes the standard of practice ultimately. That without doing the front door assault that conventional medicine isn't any good, which doesn't look like that approach is going to work. You walk and provide better tools and say here's how to do an ear, nose, and throat exam using this tool, not a piece of wood. It's amazing. And then now, I mean, your technology for temperature, I mean, especially with Covid, we were taking people's temperature you know, as they walk in the door. And then, you know, in peripheral neuropathy analysis, we're taking temperature from the head and comparing it to five areas of the body to look for the neuroendocrine part. Without that, we just wouldn't be able to say on an exam that we knew what was going on with thyroid. And it's part of the world now and so, I mean, you've got to be pretty gratified that in your own lifetime you build something that, first of all, anybody paid attention to and then second of all--
Dr. Phillips
[inaudible]. Yeah.
Dr. Santucci
It really has changed things. It's a big deal, it's not a little deal. Let's talk a little bit about ReBuilder. So you said you didn't want to commercialize it, but I think I'm going to. ReBuilder is a small portable unit and we used them in our clinic, and basically, my understanding of it, compared to TENS or microcurrents, which both have their places and pulse electromagnetics, it actually is an interactive situation that reads the performance of the nerve and then augments it. So can you talk a little bit about that?
Dr. Phillips
Yes, as you said, there are places for all the other devices, but the way that the brain knows if you have a nail in your big toe or in your little toe is a variation in the waveform. You look in the CeleScope and you watch Frank Sinatra sing My Way and it's got a particular bunch of squiggly lines.
Dr. Santucci
Sure.
Dr. Phillips
Now, you sing it and I sing it, it goes the same height or voltage, it goes the same length, it looks very similar. However, we don't make any money singing My Way.
Dr. Santucci
That is true. [inaudible]
Dr. Phillips
It's very distinctive.
Dr. Santucci
Yes.
Dr. Phillips
So what the ReBuilder does, I said, well, we need to find out what's going on. And these nerves transmit signals to the brain and for numbness and for pressure and for temperature. How the heck does it know that?
Dr. Santucci
Right.
Dr. Phillips
So, just eavesdropped on the nerve signal. So the first thing we did was send a signal from one foot to the other. What the ReBuilder does, when you first [inaudible] on, it measures the body mass index, so it knows if it's dealing with like a bathroom scale, it's dealing with a 90-pound teenage girl or a young woman or a 300-pound athlete.
Dr. Santucci
Sure.
Dr. Phillips
And there's a safety standard, so you cannot overstimulate them. And the second thing it does is it sends a normalized signal, average, normal, everybody is a little bit different.
Dr. Santucci
Sure.
Dr. Phillips
Normalized signal from one foot to the other and then it goes blank, it stops. When-- let's say, it goes from the right foot to the left foot. The left foot feels that tingle and it says, oh, my goodness, that's different, I better tell Daddy. It sends up the leg all through the spine to the brain. That's why you feel it and you know it's there and it says, hey, something unusual just happened. Well, when it does that, we eavesdrop and record it and we [inaudible] waveform looks like. So let's say the waveform is supposed to be a nice smooth up and down waveform, but what we get is a bump.
Dr. Santucci
Right.
Dr. Phillips
And I said, wait a second, that bump, that's not good. So we send a signal that instead of this bump going like that, we send a signal where there's a depression and then continue on. So we neutralize those two, they come together and we teach the nerve what a healthy signal looks like. And we do that 7.83 times every second.
Dr. Santucci
Nice.
Dr. Phillips
We do that to give the dendrite part of the nerve a chance to recover. When the dendrite-- the tiny, tiny filaments in a nerve cell that are in the sink level of the skin and other parts, but it's safe for skin now. When they get sense, when they sense something, they actually bend a little bit and there's an electrical charge that's difference between the inside the cell and the outside. There's calcium, potassium, and little holes open up and where it's negative on the inside and positive on the outside, then these minerals change places, positive and negative. And that tends to keep moving all the way to the nerve cell itself to say hey, something just happened.
Dr. Santucci
So for everybody, back to your basic neurology, that was depolarization, repolarization.
Dr. Phillips
Right.
Dr. Santucci
I don't think many people could do that at the top of their heads. So, you can keep going.
Dr. Phillips
Well, it takes time for it to recover.
Dr. Santucci
Right.
Dr. Phillips
We breathe in and we breathe out, we relax. The heart beats and it relaxes.
Dr. Santucci
Yeah.
Dr. Phillips
When you walk, one foot is on the ground and one foot is relaxing. It takes time for the body to recover after it does something. So we-- instead of using 90 or 100 times hitting a nerve cell with electricity and stimulate it, we do a 7.83 times so there's a gap allowing it to repolarize before we educate it again. A TENS device is kind of like stomping on your toes so you don't pay attention to your headache. It works.
Dr. Santucci
Yeah.
Dr. Phillips
And if you cut off your toe then we have a TENS setting in one of our units. Slap it on there until you can [inaudible] it up to toe or fix it or whatever. But a TENS unit sends a square wave--
Dr. Santucci
Right.
Dr. Phillips
For every person and it's a light switch on and off, as opposed to watching the squiggly lines as somebody sings a song. So that's the first thing that it does. And it does that for a half hour and it shuts itself off. What it does is it combines electric muscle stimulation with it because many people have poor circulation. That's one of the causes of neuropathy.
Dr. Santucci
Sure.
Dr. Phillips
And if they're stimulating the nerves to regenerate and to fix themselves, then they're going to need more fuel and they're going to need the removal of the byproducts of metabolism. So we stimulate the calf muscles, which is stimulating the venous muscle pump. When the heart beats, it pushes blood away from itself, cuts an artery and it spurts out in harmony with your heartbeat. If you cut a vein, it dribbles out. So in this case, we stimulate the venous muscle pump to empty that vein. Now we use a flick bath. Put your feet in warm water. The warm water vasodilates the capillaries between the arteries and the veins so that artery pressure can go through larger capillaries to get to the vein. So they open up those capillaries to get more blood available to the vein. Then we empty the vein with the venous muscle pump. In a nerve cell, you don't just have a single nerve going from your toe all the way up to your brain.
Dr. Santucci
Right.
Dr. Phillips
[inaudible] of them. And nerves do not connect. There's a gap. It's called a synaptic junction. It's a fluid-filled sac.
Dr. Santucci
Sure.
Dr. Phillips
This electrical signal has to effectively jump across that gap in order to work its way up to the brain. Well, that gap is fluid-filled and distilled water, for instance, pure water, does not conduct electricity.
Dr. Santucci
Right.
Dr. Phillips
It [inaudible] So, many times, if a nerve hasn't been working well, say it's numbness, then the body says, well, I don't want to waste energy holding minerals in suspension here. I'll just let them go back into the blood supply. So now we're sending a larger signal to jump that gap, but it needs remineralization. So there's an electrolyte in the water bath so that as the blood goes through there, it can absorb these minerals in the same proportion that's necessary for the synaptic junction. So it can refill that. Another reason we use a water bath is that we drop the electrodes in the water bath, and now the water becomes the electrode. So we're stimulating the bottom of the foot, the top of the foot, the toes, and the area even between the toes.
Dr. Santucci
Right.
Dr. Phillips
So that's another reason why we do it. We want to [inaudible] as many nerve points as we can. We want a vasodilate, the capillaries more blood goes through. We want to have electrolytes there so that it can be absorbed to correct any problems in the synaptic junction. And then also the 7.83 sequence of frequency has a tendency to cause the brain to release endorphins, into opiates.
Dr. Santucci
Right.
Dr. Phillips
They travel through the bloodstream, so if you have, for the next hour or two, it's a short-term period, it [inaudible] as accidental. If you have little arthritic pain or pain in your knee or your hip or something, it tends to reduce that. And if you use it before you go to bed, it relaxes you and you go to sleep faster. So that's kind of accidental. I didn't design it that way.
Dr. Santucci
Nice. Yeah.
Dr. Phillips
That's what the ReBuilder essentially does. By a nine-volt battery, [inaudible] not rechargeable, and you can probably get 100 treatments out of one nine-volt battery.
Dr. Santucci
Right. Our rather simplistic model of that technology was that it actually rebuilt the action potential and then provided the substrates for the chemical-- neurochemical reactions to happen. So, yeah, I think I could probably say what you just said if I studied it for a year. But--
Dr. Phillips
Well, you know what? What we were taught in medical school is that neurotransmitters transmit information.
Dr. Santucci
Right.
Dr. Phillips
Dopamine and the rest of it. That's not true. What it does is it changes the conductivity of that fluid, the synaptic fluid. So if you have caffeine, it makes it more conductive so that the nerves jump too fast. So you get jittery.
Dr. Santucci
Right.
Dr. Phillips
Dopamine and things like that. Then it tends to dissolve some of those out so the signal passes over more slowly.
Dr. Santucci
Right.
Dr. Phillips
Neurotransmitters do, they do not transmit chemicals, do not transmit information. Electricity in the waveform transmits information. So that's the first thing that is still taught, unfortunately.
Dr. Santucci
Oh, yeah.
Dr. Phillips
About three-quarters of the MD schools. They're beginning to catch up now because I've been preaching this for about four years, talking about it forever but--
Dr. Santucci
I think neurology is the last frontier, that there's so much supposition and there are so many general kinds of things within the neuropsych world that people aren't really doing the mechanics very much better than we did 50 years ago. You know, my dad was a surgeon, psychiatrist, and I look at the drugs that they were using, they have different names now, but they do exactly the same thing. And then even when we test neurotransmitters or do brain scans to actually change them and we know what we're doing in terms of our targeting, like delta, theta, alpha, beta waves, when we test the neurotransmitters, it's always kind of a surprise. And then we were using chemistry to fix brains that way, when we use energy, when we use neurofeedback, it worked way, way, way better. So it's not surprising to me that your system comes in and loops that in. That's probably the coolest, most elegant thing about the ReBuilder, is that you know, you can take it at a very base level, but the person doing recurring treatments on that is going to get a widespread benefit. Another thing that's true is it's a reasonably affordable thing that a person can do at home. Some of our technology that we use for peripheral neuropathy are $50,000 generators. You know, it's not-- we're clinical, we're not really doing very much at home. So one of the things that I want, you know, people to be aware of is that there is a technology that is good, that you can do at home. So I have a technical question. How did you stop the ReBuilder from habituating the signal and getting the brain to just stop paying attention to it after two or three minutes?
Dr. Phillips
It changes. After about a minute, the signals change, the signal is going back up to the brain change and we detect that, so we adjust to it. So for the full 30-minute treatment, we're always alternating and--
Dr. Santucci
Nice.
Dr. Phillips
What the nerve is doing. So people will start off and they'll put it at the intensity of two and they say, my muscles jumping, I can feel my calf muscles jumping and I can feel it's really strong. But after about five minutes, they start turning it up because the body has adjusted.
Dr. Santucci
Yeah.
Dr. Phillips
So it's one of the secrets to the ReBuilder. It doesn't just send the same signal over and over and over.
Dr. Santucci
Right.
Dr. Phillips
My father had coronary artery bypass surgery, and in that, they take the [inaudible] of his vein out of the calf to use for grafting. Material included--
Dr. Santucci
Sure.
Dr. Phillips
Veins and arteries. So when they do that, naturally, there's pain. The body has to make collateral circulation for the blood and also cut some nerves. I grew up in Chicago, and my father was an old Irishman, you know, tough guy and said, okay, Earl, now that you've had this and you're all fixed, you got to get your butt out, and you got to walk around the block three times. And [inaudible] oh, I can't do that, it cut me from that elbow, and I can't do that. I can't do it. Forget it. So I said, I got to do something for him. That's why I invented it for him.
Dr. Santucci
Nice.
Dr. Phillips
I did not invent it to sell and invent it for my dad, so he quit complaining.
Dr. Santucci
Sure.
Dr. Phillips
Therefore, it had to be comfortable. Muscles have to build up. If you don't use your muscles, you get disused muscle atrophy. And he was beginning to lose muscle mass in one [inaudible]
Dr. Santucci
Sure.
Dr. Phillips
Which would cause him to wobble or lose his balance.
Dr. Santucci
Yeah.
Dr. Phillips
The other thing about the ReBuilder is I wanted it to be comfortable. People can fall asleep with the ReBuilder on, and I want them to be able to use it at home. If you're going on diet, you've got to diet every day.
Dr. Santucci
Right.
Dr. Phillips
If you're going to strengthen your muscles, you got to do it every day.
Dr. Santucci
Sure.
Dr. Phillips
Figure out how to get along with your wife. You better do it every day. Not once [inaudible]
Dr. Santucci
That's a must.
Dr. Phillips
You're going to lose that one, by the way.
Dr. Santucci
Right. Yeah. And so the portability is like, a huge thing, and then the fact that a person can easily understand the technology. But the technology isn't an elaborate TENS or microcurrent unit because it's actually reading and changing and not habituating the signal is the thing that makes it so effective, you know, from our clinical point of view in the thing. More and more, especially with the remote and the, you know, almost podcast-level medicine, we're getting people from Montana going you know, can you work with me? In the advanced diagnostic stuff, in biochemistry, it's easy to do a Zoom meeting. In peripheral neuropathy, it was almost impossible, but now we can do one of these units, send it out to the person, and, you know, you can actually do something long distance, which, you know, post-Covid is-- I'd say that was the biggest benefit in medicine, post-Covid. We all now can do Zoom meetings from, you know, six ways to Sunday. Let's shift, if we would. I understand you've recently embarked on an education pathway for your colleagues. It's something that happens at a certain stage in a person's life and career, and I'm glad that you got to that point, but can you talk a little bit about what you're setting up in terms of advanced education for doctors?
Dr. Phillips
I have created a college called the American College of Academic Medicine, where we teach a full MD course online and we grant a degree, an AMD. It's an MD degree but preceded by, A for Academic. Students certified that they will not attempt to practice clinical, MD practice unless they do their one-year free labor as an intern in the residency in the hospital someplace, and they get their license and they pay their insurance and all that kind of crap. So these people that want to write or they want to teach, or they just want to know what the dickens is going on.
Dr. Santucci
Right.
Dr. Phillips
Now, so we appreciate a practice like yours because you're actually practicing and teaching.
Dr. Santucci
Right.
Dr. Phillips
That's unusual. And you're teaching your staff, you're teaching your patients, you're teaching other doctors, which is why I'm on your podcast because I respect what you do.
Dr. Santucci
Thank you. It's a tough thing because, I mean, we're in an environment where the body of knowledge is doubling every three years. So it's interesting to me where people bring up medical protocols, like the four R's protocol for gastrointestinal rehab. That was 30 years ago. When we did that. You know, it was antecedents, triggers, and modulators on the functional medicine side. So, you look at that and you just go, where's the new stuff? And so what's happening in functional medicine, there's a lot of repackaging and there's a lot of not paying attention to what went on 30 years ago or 50 years ago, especially in oncology and cardiology. And then my clinic has become kind of a mecca for equipment. I mean, we probably have four, $500,000 worth of gadgets in our clinic. Not because I wanted to, but that's, you know, and then half the things are energetic. And again, I didn't pick that. They just work better. So systems with feedback like what you have. And we just interviewed Erin Meldrum from doing The Neurofeedback World and, you know, it's in the day we were using clear mind and doing brain scans and neurofeedback and getting good changes in neurodegenerative conditions. Well, that equipment costs a third of what it used to cost and is half as complex and can be done remotely. And so all of a sudden we can do a brain scan remotely. You know, it's like, I'm not going to stop as long as there's stuff like that available, you know, it's too fun. And then like in your world, what we're seeing is, you know, my early training was, you know, I was administering MMPIs when I was 12 years old. You know, like a psychiatric, I grew up in a medical family. I'm very comfortable with the way that world works. When I became a doctor, I had so many orthopedic issues that it was a chiropractor that fixed me. So my first license was a chiropractor, but then I had to go study the advanced neurology, and then I had to study the biochemistry, and then neuroregen. And I look at it and I just go, I'm not that impressed with any of the branches of medicine right now. You know, if you really look at who's acting on the research or advancing things, it's very few people. So, you know, without, you know, making this too sunshiny, one of the things I really appreciate about you is the part that you actually did rubber meets the road, you don't have formal education for, you became an engineer and your products are super accepted and you won the inventor of the year. You know, our whole thing is knowledge is great, but action is where the magic is. And I think it's incumbent upon all of us, especially if we have a big base, to one, give it back and try to not have the next generation, you know, not pay attention to the good things, don't make the mistakes that were made before, but also get some integration and some improvement in the standard of practice. And I'm writing this manifesto on altering the standard of practice to have informed generalists be the first people that touch the patient and they maintain control and then it's given to the specialists, but that person has some toys and tricks. And I think technology is going to be huge. And frankly, in neuro rehab and vestibular rehab, your machine at home with some basic exercises is going to hopelessly outclass what is being done currently, you know, for balance rehab in the United States. You know, so it's not like we don't know what to do. It's more like we can't get the people that are doing it to change what they're doing. So the goodness about a medical protocol based on technology as you go, here's how to do this, you know, here's how to set up this machine. Would you ever consider putting PMF on top of it as a waveform?
Dr. Phillips
I could, but then, like you said, it would probably complicate the operational of it for patients at home and there are other companies that do that very, very well. So I don't need to reinvent. Try to keep my price down low enough that people can finance it for $65 a month, we offer a 90-day unconditional money-back guarantee to try it and see if it works.
Dr. Santucci
Right. A lot of times we're dealing with diabetics, so it is much more complex, you know, kind of a thing. But even that, you know, the introduction of a four-day intermittent fast to recreate beta cells or some kind of intervention like that, if the person is kind of at that stage where they can see a lifestyle contribution. But, you know, one of our cliches is that it does-- people who want to do everything themselves, that doesn't work in complex cases. People who want everything done for them, that doesn't work either. But it's a combination, it's kind of partnership, but it's not a compromise. So a lot of partnerships are half of this and half of this. It's that you've got to avoid the known antigens, you've got to get rid of the toxins, you've got to get the metals out of the story, you've got to rejuvenate the nerves and then you've got to make that whole system, you know, jump start and have the cofactors it needs to perform. And that's a lot. And what we're finding is we have about 50-50 compliance on that. And again, a lot of this base is 70, 75 years old. So you don't know whether you're dealing with a generalized, you know, lack of frontal lobe function because they look pretty good, or that, you know, it's just too hard to get a person to do that at that stage of life. But I think that's where the-- you know, I love the fact you have a psychology degree because I sort of think everybody needs a psychology degree that's doing medicine these days. And, you know, we'll get a complex case and the front desk will go, that's one of yours, meaning it's a site case. You know, they say, go do your counseling thing. And I was like, yeah, but my counseling thing will give an image in the person's head that they can get well, and then they will do a bunch of work to fix themselves. You know, ultimately, they are the ones that do it.
Dr. Phillips
I wrote a book that's available on Amazon. It's about using your mind to help advance healing yourself.
Dr. Santucci
There's a lot written on that twilight state, but one of my beliefs is that magic is spontaneous. Some of our best interactions and clinical offerings have been in the shower. You know, they just were flashes. But I think you got to take some credit for that going through, you know, the galaxy of your brain, that is an amazing inventor and that can do things, you know like you should act on your inspirations because the things you're building are really good. You know that keeps you young, it keeps you vital, it keeps you in the game, all that stuff. But it also is crucial for the world. I mean, we need better medical answers for most things. I mean, you know, all the major diseases that kill people, we've made exactly no progress on from the numbers point of view. You know, cardiac cancer and diabetes is way worse than it was before. So some of the monitoring is good. The diagnostics are still terrible. It's still an art form. And then the interventions are almost nonexistent for the chronic acute diseases. So I keep trying to look at that and going, you know, what can we do? And like I really think that the engineering part is the part that has a chance in this environment. You know, if you can put it on an iPhone or if it's a smaller gadget or something people can control themselves, then I think you've changed the way people are interacting with their disease process, and I think you've done that a few times. So I'm looking forward to your next inventions. So going between the different worlds, because so many times people stop at biochemistry or neurology or equipment, and you've sort of made a canvas of the whole thing and it's really an amazing accomplishment. So we're going to hold it there. I want to thank my guest, Dr. David Phillips, and representing really a new breed of inventor that has the background, has the education, but also has the vision and the amped, to actually get products on the street. So, again, thank you so much. Really appreciate your time.
Dr. Phillips
I appreciate what you're doing, too, and anything we can do to help you, just let us know, and we'll take care of you.
Dr. Santucci
Perfect. Thanks again.
Dr. Phillips
Okay. Have a good day.
Dr. Santucci
All right, you too.
Dr. Phillips
Bye bye.
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